Tuesday, May 23, 2006

Intelligent Design: Lying for God

In a move that only goes to show he doesn't mind lying, or at least bending the truth a little, in the name of god, DaveScot has posted a known urban legend on Uncommon Descent, with no disclaimer.

It takes the form of a chain letter showing a picture of american soldiers with their heads bowed in prayer, and then goes on to suggest that the ACLU is trying to abolish this. It's been doing the round for years and has been discredited many times. Yes, the soldiers are praying. No, the ACLU never had anything to say about it, and is not against soldiers praying of their own free will.

William Dembski seems to have had a glitch in his design filters at the time, though, because he immediately responded with 'Right On!' as the first comment. I thought he could tell false positives?

Anyway, the normal comment policy seems to continue - a comment on Panda's thumb mentioned that at the time of writing there were three comments pointing out it's a hoax. At the time i went to read it, comments were as follows:
  1. Right On!
  2. DaveScot saying "To everyone who’s pointed out that the ACLU story is a fabrication according to snopes.com - that’s hardly the point. The pictures of Marines praying are real. The fighting and dying to protect the interests of the United States is real. The request to pray for them is real. So I removed the fake names, noted the ACLU statement is rumor, and quoted a very real former Marine Sergeant’s sentiments instead. If anyone has a problem with that they can KMA. Google that."
  3. More from DaveScot
  4. Someone agreeing
  5. Someone else agreeing
  6. DaveScot saying "Now that everyone is happy that this article isn’t a fabrication the comments are closed."

And the comments for that post are now closed. So I wonder, where are the comments pointing out it's a hoax? DaveScot mentions them, so he must know they were there. Have they been deleted? Because that would be so different to the normal policy on dissenting comments on Uncommon Dissent!

Also, not only did DaveScot not put on a disclaimer when he admitted he knew it was a hoax from the start, he also didn't mention in the post that he had edited the email from the original. Also, how does DaveScot admitting it's an urban legend make us happy that it's not a fabrication? Finally, how does it change the lie to add 'rumored' in one place, where it quite blatantly says in another: "Please send this to people you know so everyone will know how stupid the ACLU is Getting in trying to remove GOD from everything and every place in America. " He is using something he knows to be false to support his religion - bad form.

And these people feel that they are qualified to make scientific remarks on the origin of life on earth. They couldn't find their ass with both hands and a map, let alone find evidence for design.


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